• m3t00🌎@lemmy.worldM
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    6 hours ago

    in a system where money is the only goal, those with the most start believing they are also smarter than everyone else. mostly luck and mass hoarding opportunities at the expense of everything else. follower counts also have similar effects when they are the only goal. buy the follower system and just edit counts until satisfied. never enough. hoarding anything eventually buries the hoarder. dark is a general term for a hoarding fixation. change the goal and they will fixate on the new goal.

  • Uriel238 [all pronouns]@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    20 hours ago

    For me, seeing corruption and inequality lead to major depression, but I figured out early I didn’t want to cause harm.

    What hit hard is learning deception and exploitation is baked into the system.

  • Uriel238 [all pronouns]@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    What is curious to me is why billionaires don’t start massive civil projects that would get their bronze statue in every state park?

    Musk had several opportunities, except he then had to figure out a way to monetize it so it profited him.

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      Musk is going the Genghis Khan route. In 500 years he wants to be genetic ancestor to the majority of humans. To accomplish this goal he must:

      1. Have many children (we’re seeing this)

      2. Encourage his children to provide him with grandchildren (we see his reaction to his trans child who is therefore unlikely to give him biological grandchildren)

      3. Maximize the amount of wealth and assets he earns in his lifetime so that all his children and grandchildren can each be obscenely rich as well, thereby increasing their chances of having many descendants

      4. Leverage the capitalist system to give him and his descendants as much control over the means of production and the levers of power as possible, thereby making them more likely to survive societal upheavals

      This will give him the posthumous status he desires the most, as people are more likely to forgive historic wrongs if those wrongs were committed by their own ancestors. He can be as horrible as he wants and still be remembered in a good light if the only people around to remember him are people for whom he is intertwined with their own sense of identity.

      He expects the future to slowly reduce the amount of children poor people can have as the global population drops due to obvious and intractible economic pressures.

    • RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world
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      Previous society’s ultra-wealthy were raised socipathic but with some form of social contract as well. Even if it was completely a classist version of the contract with them at the top, there was some form of duty to society - not necessarily the individuals in it. IOW they’d build an orphanage but exploit the hell out of individual workers. Bonus points if you enacted some large public work like libraries or schools with your name on it so people would know it was you that did it.

      Now? They get fuck you money, so fuck you. Sure, they engage in philanthropy to their kid’s charity to lighten the tax burden and build their kids’ fortunes. Donate to prestigious universities to build a wing on to the campus that drives tuition even higher with new staffing and maintenance costs. Build bunker mansions for themselves. Support far right government that gives them tax breaks and other deregulation that makes them richer, because fuck you money isn’t enough.

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    I’ve been saying this, on Lemmy and IRL.

    The other thing I’ve become adamant about is, if we want honest politicians who aren’t nasty personalities, it begins with seeing dishonesty and nastiness in ourselves, doing the shadow work and deep healing to address wounded inner child, and modeling and expecting healthy behaviors in our children.

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      The biggest influence on society for most people is probably what you described and then raise children in a mostly trauma free environment.

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      100% but that work is very difficult and for some people impossible to do. I watched an interview with a psychologist who had a former mobster as a client (not named Tony). The guy was in his 80s and had been retired from the game for years but kept having nightmares about bloody babies. He was unable to connect his work as a hit man to this nightmares, and always said that he was fine with his occupation.

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      The threat of groups out of the normal population correcting them, or in worst case firing them, for not kept promises or derailing plans, can keep them from seeing the population as nothing more than numbers and themselves as a superior in-group.

      That’s why i think that Swiss’ initiative/referendum right is a prerequisite for a longtime-stable democratic system. I often see that in germany, where politicians do what they want and people complain that they lie in elections anyway. While here, even the president can take the bus to the Bundeshaus.

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      Why would anyone want to change when the rewards for being awful are so good? Doing the things you described not only make advancement in a dark society nearly impossible, but it takes a personal toll on the psyche and perspective of the person attempting bettering themselves and the world around them. I say this as someone doing the work.

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        7 hours ago

        Imagining humanity as one organism to which you can either contribute positively or which you can actively damage helps for me.

        Or just believing in karma in its simplest form: you reap what you sow.

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        Maybe it makes achieving personal things in a dark society harder, but it strongly helps to improve society itself. And it’s much more pleasant to live in the opposite of a dark society. A better society is not a zero sum game

        Healing is hard and uncomfortable in the short to medium term, but in the long term it’s always preferred

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      22 hours ago

      Yes, but no. If there were other systems dominate today, I would argue those conditions always coincide. But yeah, capitalism is the only one today

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        18 hours ago

        Yeah dark triad personality traits definitely thrived in pre industrial political and economic systems as well

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    “Dark” personality thrives in societies with corruption and inequality

    irrelevant qualifiers