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Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, a New York Democrat, ripped Donald Trump for his military attack against Iran on Saturday, saying the move is “absolutely and clearly grounds for impeachment.”
Ocasio-Cortez ripped the president’s action on X, formerly Twitter, and wrote, “The President’s disastrous decision to bomb Iran without authorization is a grave violation of the Constitution and Congressional War Powers. He has impulsively risked launching a war that may ensnare us for generations. It is absolutely and clearly grounds for impeachment.”
On the other hand, Senator John Fetterman, a Pennsylvania Democrat, came to Trump’s side and wrote on X, “As I’ve long maintained, this was the correct move by @POTUS. Iran is the world’s leading sponsor of terrorism and cannot have nuclear capabilities. I’m grateful for and salute the finest military in the world.”
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What are they gonna do about it? Lawsuit? Lmao
Mussolini got dragged through the streets and him and his gf’s lifeless corpses were hung upside down for all of Rome to see.
Weird fact. Not sure why I’m thinking of it
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Now THAT’s a PRIME NUMBER
Thank you for your attention to this matter
Primed & ready, you mean? That part of my math education’s a little hazy. 🙇🏼♂️
There is an old quote -
“The plight of the oppressed ends with the oppressor. Mussolini found this to be true, as will others.”
Now, I wonder if that weird fact you are thinking of can have you picturing Donald Trump being dragged through the streets with JD Vance and him and his vice president’s lifeless corpses being hung upside down for all the United States to see, in response to him giving the order to bomb Iran without congressional approval. And who here would like to see that actually happening.
Franco died peacefully in his sleep at the age of 83, a fabulously rich celebrity who was officially mourned by the state for a month.
Spain changed a lot since then thankfully
It was Milan. Though I’m sure the people of Rome were more than welcome to go see his bespatted husk.
My bad thanks for clarifying!
Not at all.
I only remember because I recently watched that Ordinary Things video about him.
🤔
The upside of that was that it put his fellow conspiritors off trying to follow in his footsteps.
Only a rag would quote Fetterman and credit him as a Democrat. He doesn’t act or believe what he did when he was elected as a Democrat, his perspective is irrelevant.
I’ve watched Fetterman’s 180 from across the pond. Don’t really understand what happened and what made him flip.
He had a stroke that damaged his brain.
So, I like this idea, and the recent expose indicates that the stroke has essentially rendered him non compis mentis, but do you really think the brain damage turned him conservative? Were there no red flags before? I genuinely don’t know enough about the guy.
There were definitely red flags before, it’s just that people ignored them because he was better than Dr. Oz. There’s a good Some More News video that goes into it.
I like how they pretend if he is not the president it wouldn’t be the same. They lied about WMD in Iraq and went to war in behalf of israel. And the did regime change in Libya, bomb and missions in Somalia and Yemen and not a single word from almost all congress about war crimes in gaza.
Let’s be honest, AIPAC controls all level of governments.
The only issue now, white MAGA, who actually hate Jew, or Russian propagandist are calling him out.
As soon as AIPAC find dirt on them or manage to buy them, the progressive movement will find themselves alone again.
It wouldn’t. Trump can be bought off more easily. Trump literally released a propaganda AI hit piece on Gaza for Israel. Trump is literally illegally detaining protesters for protesting against Israel in universities. People who say Biden would have done the same show how clueless they are, specially now that the differences have shown how stark they are.
WMD in Iraq? Literally Republicans again.
Libya? Literally United Nations Security Council Resolution 1973. Is the organization constantly getting vilified by Israel by their condemnations of it also part of the same grand scheme in your world view?
Somalia? Another Republican president.
Your shotgun argumentation is bad and you should feel bad. AIPAC has a lot of power in the US, but it is not equally present in both parties and it does not manifest in the same way either. The US has bigger problems than AIPAC, but its fascist takeover has probably gone over your head as well.
Yeah you figured out the big secret. The Jews are the secret puppet masters of the world!
That or you’ve become antisemitic. Yeah, that’s probably it.
It is you who think when someone says AIPAC means Jew. Most Jew has nothing to do with AIPAC. Read more about Zionism and their history before and after WWII and read more about different mostly Jew who are on odd with the AIPAC and it’s Zionist views…
AIPAC is a group of American Jews that support Israel. So when you’re rambling on about AIPAC conspiracy theories you’re claiming both American Jews and Israeli Jews are evil puppet masters.
Antisemitism has in the past made subsets of Jews acceptable to hate. Look up the term Cosmopolitan Jew. Zionist Jew follows that pattern.
You’re being told by many people on the internet that it’s part of the Jewish conspiracy to accuse people of being antisemitic for criticizing Israel. I’m not Jewish, I’ve never been to Israel, I’m not being paid by anyone. I’m not a part of some conspiracy against you. Just someone who has learned how antisemitism worked in the past since I felt like I owed it to my grandfather who was damaged while fighting against some antisemitic assholes.
You’re following a pattern that has happened before.
Keep screaming impeachment when clearly that doesn’t work…he belongs in jail ya know for being a 34 count felon rapist seditionous traitor.
This one might actually stick since the Republican party is split over this.
You know that that also did not work, right?
Yes clearly.
America is a shit show. Americans have shown they are ok with this.
Those with the authority to do their jobs and jail trump willfully abdicated their responsibility to do so. Yeah, there absolutely is a subset of this population aggressively driving us toward an oligarchy and authoritarian kleptocracy, but the majority of American citizens would prefer to see the law upheld. We don’t want a three-tiered legal system, the bottom jails first and throws away the key, the middle bleeds you dry with legal costs, and the top has no rules or consequences.
Don’t bunch us all up with the government. The government is ok with it being a shit show. Many voted against it. Many of us don’t agree.
Sadly very true.
I want him actually removed from office. He was already impeached. Twice! It didn’t do anything.
To get him removed from office, you have to first get the House to vote (50%) to Impeach him. That is actually doable. But then the Senate has to hold a trial and somehow get 67 senators to vote to convict him. That would take every Dem and Independent and something like 20 Republicans to vote to convict. I agree with you, but I don’t see that happening.
The only other way is by using the 25th Amendment which says, in part:
Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.
Vance and all of Trump’s appointed toadies would have to send a letter to the House and Senate saying Trump in not capable of being president. And even if, by some miracle that happened, the next step is for Congress to hold votes in both the House and the Senate needing two-thirds of both houses to declare that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Even if they somehow pulled that off in the House, it would still take 18 or 20 Republican senators to cross over and vote him out.
I just don’t see any legislative way out of this. The Republicans in the House and Senate are simply not going to let it happen. They have too much power and no morals.
Doesn’t matter they should still introduce the bill
I don’t disagree. If nothing else, it forces Republicans in the House and maybe even the Senate to go on record supporting Trump’s crimes, so that maybe in the midterms we can take away their domination in Congress, but it is not the real solution. This administration is the GOP’s recurring wet dream for the last 40 years. They will do anything to keep Trump in office.
Impeachment is how you do that…
The house brings articles of impeachment, and term it’s up to the Senate to decide whether or not the president should be convicted, and thus removed from office
There’s another way, a more powerful way. But I don’t think the U. S. people has the resolve to do what their founding fathers did.
The US founding fathers never overthrew their leader. They just stopped answering the mail of a guy on the other side of the Atlantic.
If literally anyone thinks “it’s okay that Trump bombed Iran, it was the right move”…
Then couldnt you just argue that “if it was such an obviously right move, wouldn’t it have been easy to get congress to approve it?”
It’s illogical to on one hand say it was the right thing to do, while ignoring the fact he did it without approval.
If it was so right, then approval would’ve been easy to get…?
Trump fans would say he couldn’t ask because they’d unfairly block him. And he’s a decisive dynamic man who took initiative. Or something
clearly grounds for impeachment
…add it to the pile, I guess.
But considering that impeachment is a legal process and that the current administration has zero respect for or inclination to follow the law, it’s not like it’ll accomplish shit. Dude needs to be deposed by those who have sworn to defend the constitution from domestic threats (the military) not run through some formal process.
run through
Sounds downright piratey, but that’ll work, too.
Impeachment is specifically NOT a legal process but a political one. Trump’s second impeachment acquittal was based on impeachment being a political process, and that the criminal justice system was the correct venue for J6.
That’s also why the Justice department policy on not charging a sitting president and the SCOTUS ruling that Presidents are immune from prosecution are bullshit.
I mean, in practice, I guess yeah. On paper, it’s initiated by a political process, but ultimately it’s a criminal investigation. The acquittal was due to the process being wrongfully politicized. In a system that actually followed its own rules, he’d have been indicted and imprisoned for the crimes he’s committed against the US.
The system we have will, at best, put on a dog-and-pony show, call it “impeachment”, and try to pass that off as actual justice like it did last time.
Every day the Criminal in Chief commits impeachable crimes. Every. Day.
This is just the latest. But Congress is currently packed with illegitimate, undemocratically placed criminal cronies who face no accountability while shielding their criminal collaborators from accountability. So here we are.
Kendrick Lamar “It’s not enough.” I want him removed and charged for all the harm and civil rights violations and war crimes. No President has ever been held accountable, So you can start with him.
Nixon was. They could have impeached Clinton for Bosnia, but went with lying about adultery.
They could have impeached Clinton for Bosnia
Why? Forgive my ignorance, balkan history is hard.
He violated both UN and NATO charters, iirc. Imo, intervention was necessary, because the Serbs were ethnically cleansing the Croats and Muslims, and Western Europe was dragging feet, but he violated the law and badly mishandled the intervention.
I don’t know for certain, but I think you might be mixing up Kosovo and Bosnia. Because I know he illegally (by international law) bombed Yugoslavia for the Kossovar Albanians (which some argue hastened and exacerbated the ethnic cleansing of the Albanians, which aligns quite well with the timeline, especially considering there was a concrete diplomatic alternatice proposed by both sides), but he got approval for this. Famously, Bernie Sanders voted in favor. So while it should earn him a trip to the Hague, he didn’t violate any domestic laws that I’m aware of.
But again, Yugoslavia in the 90s is crazy complicated, and there’s so much I don’t know, so maybe I’m just completely wrong here.
Maybe, I could have sworn it was Bosnia, and I can’t really research it right now. I have a project to prepare for and settle into, my apologies if I’m wrong.
Fuck Fetterman that piece of shit.
Gotta be a some kind of link between brain damage and rabid conservatism.
Considering that studies have shown that conservatives have smaller regions of the brain than normal in the areas that are attributed to things like empathy and compassion - yes, yes there is.
Boomers and Gen X suffer permanent brain damage due to lead poisoning that directly correlates to their radicalized views.
What explains yours?
weak
There is. You gotta be brain damaged to be conservative.
Naw, you can also just be rich and an asshole. Brain damage is easier to get though
I hope he gets out of politics and gets treatment. I grew up in Pittsburgh and just wince every time I see what he has become. He used to come out to parties in my social group! He was always a spoiled rich kid but this post-stroke John is something else.
Nah fuck his treatment, just get him the fuck out of office. He’s way beyond the point where I care about his personal well-being anymore.
I’m saying this because John was at one time a friend to me. Genuinely I don’t expect you to care about his well-being. I figured that the point of my comment was that he needs to step down immediately; I think people seem to think I’m asking you for sympathy.
If we all do the work on ourselves, the world will look very different in a decade. If we all focus on healing, our earth can heal.
Understandable.
Maybe at the level of the media game, sure, but you absolutely do care if there’s one less crazy person in the world, we all do.
One of like 1000 things he’s done in the last few months that was either illegal, unconstitutional, “grounds for impeachment”, or corrupt. 🥱
What are the 999 things he’s done that are illegal, unconstitutional, corrupt or grounds for impeachment in the last few months?
Seriously, one would think with a file that big, collectivists would have reacted in some way, wouldn’t they?
Just an FYI, there is a tracker of current legal cases against the trump admin (over 280 right now), and this doesn’t include much of the daily illegal stuff he does (like this recent attack on another country).
The tracker also doesn’t cover stuff like his scam phone, scam crypto, scam <insert any of the stuff he’s selling>, threats of annexation of other countries, using the white house to sell teslas, arresting people he dislikes, and so on.
There’s probably more than a 1000, now that I think about it. And this is all just from the beginning of the year. If you include his previous term, you could easily add a few hundred more. 🫢
Israel is quite literally the world’s biggest terrorist nation state. The paper thin transparent spin tactics of Israel’s defenders would be amusing if the results of its terrorism wasn’t so horrifying.
I’m not sure it’s Israel, but they and the USA are vying for that spot.
he’s been impeached. what’s another one gonna do except distract everyone while he continues to war?
If the senate actually has balls, they can remove him from office. Impeachment doesnt inherently carry consequences. The senate determines consequence
The first two times were like a jury declaring a person guilty, and then the judge came in for sentences and said, “eh but did he really do it? I sentence you to… no punishment.”
The older I get, the more I feel like the Senate is essentially the means through which corporations and the capital class defeat any popular movement. Our Constitution was written mostly by drunk, privileged, rich kids. I think sometimes you can really smell the disdain for lower classes in the way everything is built.
So long as there are classes then so it will be.
Caesar felt the same way.
Can’t believe I lived to see the fall of the Republic and rise of the TACO Triumvirate 🥹
Elon Musk is not Pompey.
Elon would probably think he’s Crassus, except no one actually likes him.
I guess, but I am referring more to that there should only be a House of Representatives, and that the Senate serves no purpose other than to represent corporate interests and tamp down on popular sentiment.
The whole lot, with very few exceptions do.
And I’m saying that Ancient Rome only had a senate (no house or senate branches) and their corruption reached a point to where the ideal of a dictator was an improvement over the status quo.
Many Americans thought this. But the best they could come up with was Trump???
Mmm, I understand you now. That’s fair.
The first two times were like a jury declaring a person guilty, and then the judge came in for sentences and said, “eh but did he really do it? I sentence you to… no punishment.”
Not quite. The first two times were like a grand jury returning an indictment. That’s the House’s part of the equation. They have a vote requiring 50% of members to vote to impeach the president, effectively indicting him. The Senate then has to hold a trial that which takes a 67% vote to convict him and remove him from office.
Saying he has been impeached twice but not removed from office is the equivalent of saying someone has been indicted twice but not convicted. He hasn’t yet been convicted.
The reason (well, one of the reasons) they don’t do it, is because Trump ignores orders. Meaning: if they want to remove him from office, it would literally come down to sending goons in to physically remove him, and the other goons might resist. It would get ugly.
Um, *raises hand* point of parliamentary procedure; people are suffering and quite literally dying right now. It’s already extremely ugly.
No, the reason was Reds protecting their guy and refusing to hold him to account. Even if what you suggested were part of their motivation, the optics of Trump refusing accountability and literally being dragged out, hasn’t been paying attention to the optics that Trump himself brings to the US and the GOP, specifically. It’s a pretty shit justification.
Well it’s not like Congress is busy approving or funding a war. They’ve got time.
IMO this is business as usual thinking.
The left needs to push for a vote to get Congress on the record where they stand.
And even if it doesn’t pass, getting some Republicans to vote yes would be a big win and a first step towards checking TACO.
With three, stamps, you get a free impeachment.
