• plyth@feddit.org
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    14 hours ago

    It becomes funny when you realize what China has in comparison.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Credit_System

    In 2019, the central government voiced dissatisfaction with pilot cities experimenting with social credit scores. It issued guidelines clarifying that citizens could not be punished for having low scores and that punishments should only be limited to legally defined crimes and civil infractions. As a result, pilot cities either discontinued their point-based systems or restricted them to voluntary participation with no major consequences for having low scores.[4][7] According to a February 2022 report by the Mercator Institute for China Studies (MERICS), a social credit “score” is a myth as there is “no score that dictates citizen’s place in society”.

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    19 hours ago

    So basically the Americans get Chinese-Style authoritarianism, but without the prosperity

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      18 hours ago

      yeah all the worst parts without any of the benefits, like education or healthcare

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        Competition for places in universities and even good doctors in China is crazy, or so I’ve heard. In general it’s a “dog eat dog” society much more than the US one, despite common misconceptions about both.

        I dunno what “prosperity” they mean, the ability to actually start and finish projects is spectacular for China, yes. That’s why western nations are trying to hurt Chinese logistics, attacking their sources of raw materials, markets and routes. But the average Chinese man does not yet have an easier life than the average US-American.

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          I am originally from the States but moved to Australia.

          Before I moved away I lived in a bible belt state that was one of the 18 US states that have a “tipped minimum wage” of $2.13 an hour. In those states if you have a job that earns tips you get paid $2.13 an hour, and your employer is supposed to match that wage to the federal minimum wage of $7.25 an hour.

          However you can imagine if you are one of the lucky ones who has a job in the only restaurant in town, that asking your boss for those missing wages after a slow night is not going to get you anything but fired. There are dozens of other desperate people willing to take your place in a heartbeat.

          I find a lot of people aren’t aware of the situation for large swathes of the US. The amount of people who are homeless or hungry or sick with no help is astronomical for a “first world country”.

          What I find interesting is that after a cursory google search it would appear that China indeed has minimum wages, and those are interestingly not far off that $2.13 an hour.

          https://www.china-briefing.com/news/minimum-wages-china/

          The lowest hourly minimum wage in a province I could find was 16.5 RMB which works out to $2.30 an hour.

          Now there are of course nuances here, like those jobs in China not being tipped, the cost of living, healthcare, etc.

          I do think that things in the States are becoming more dire than most realise, and things in China have been steadily getting better.

          In any case I feel very privileged to live in Australia and raise my children here.

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          if you take averages with the ungodly wealth disparity you will make faulty conclusions. Americans don’t go to the doctor unless they’re pretty sure they’re dying.

          I’ve seen someone break their leg and beg people around them not to call an ambulance because apparently emergency is also not only paid but also obscenely expensive. ask Americans about affordable healthcare, affordable education, affordable housing… or affordable eggs.

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    Hey, we had a whole Orville episode on how this was a shit plan. The US Media trashed China for this plan.

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      Don’t tread on me unless I’m too chickenshit to make you pay.

      That’s what it means. It’s just that ancaps usually dream of a situation of some widespread ancap ethics and ancap solidarity, so that “making them pay” is possible. While IRL it’s not. Solidarity is hard for humans. Building it on the ancap basis is even harder because ancap just doesn’t address human herd instincts.

      The proper political ideology IMHO is bog standard ancap+Georgism logically, but with socialist aesthetics and dynamics. Something similar to anarcho-syndicalism and Trotskyism, but with the individual part more pronounced. These are not really contradictory to each other, because the right libertarian part here approaches rules and logic and feedbacks, while the socialist part approaches projects. These are different layers of the same system, they are perfectly compatible. Like L3 and L4 in computer networks.

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    I didn’t remember emigrating to China.

    Damn, this dude has to pick the shittiest aspects of every other country and implement them. But even the shitty countries have socialized health care and things like paid maternal leave. Does he pick those features? Of course not.

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      Nobody here in China knows wtf a social credit score is. Also the healthcare is less socialized than your average European country, but they do take measures to keep costs down.

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    Hi, im potential threat #3EF728.

    Anyone who would use this metric to categorize me in the first place is inherently a threat to me.

    Figure that one out.

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    Don’t be afraid of them. Say it all loudly and often.

    Donald Trump is a traitor who should have been hung years ago. Elon Musk is a Nazi who should be beaten to death in the streets. Palantir should be dismantled for supporting and enabling fascism around the world. All billionaires should be publicly executed for crimes against humanity. The current American government is an enemy of freedom and democracy around the globe and should be overthrown by force if peaceful means are no longer possible, which looks more and more each day to be an accurate assessment of the situation.

    Fear will not silence us. We have more power than they ever will. All we have to do is decide to use it.

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    2 days ago

    Brought to you by the party of:

    • small government
    • personal freedoms
    • states’ rights
    • less spending
    • free speech
    • religious liberty
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    Hey Iran, if you’re listening, and you’re looking for a soft target to add to your retaliation list for the recent attack…well while you probably can’t break into the White House, something tells me Palantir’s offices are a lot less heavily defended…They also do a lot of intelligence work, so they’re a valid military target.

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    it’s okay guys! The NRA said they were here to prevent this sort of thing!

    We’re in goooood hands!