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“Father Abraham had many dumbs, and many dumbs had father Abraham…”
It makes me sad I know the song, still.
Trump is one of them, and so is Bibi, so let’s all have a drink!
If the war didn’t mean innocent civilians dying everywhere, I’d have posted this:
Ooohh…Putin must be so jealous !!!
all 3 are genociding. iran with the history ba’hai faith.
Well modern Iran is built on persecutions. Be it Zoroastrians, Jews, Christians, Mandaeism, Ba’hai all were persecuted, even sunni and sufi muslim also persecuted.
Seniority should demote individuals, from positions of power, to those of advisory.
Privilege readily blinds those who experience it.
Authoritarianism is most attractive to the weakest.
Religion is the most destructive human invention.
I’m not into kink shaming, unless practicing it inflicts harm in a non-consensual manner.
Don’t forget sending people into offshore jail and refuse to let them go, and support and indirectly encouraging genocide.
Yeah, out of all of the things to list… Not releasing Epstein files is at the bottom of the list.
Add Putin in the mix and you have the 4 Geriatrics of the Apocalypse.
And none of them atheist. Religion is a cancer.
Does Netenyahu represent Judaism? Trump stands for Christianity? Khomini for Islam? Hitler for Atheism?
No, none of them is religious they each abuse an extreme version of Judaism, Christianity, Islam, or even Athisim as well. They prey and indoctrinate their audiance with shitty idologies to stay in power through it. In case of Athiesm, China replaced religon with a cult of patrioty through which they could justify their minority genocide and the endless list of CCP oppression.
Hitler for Atheism?
Fucking what?
No, none of them is religious they each abuse an extreme version of Judaism, Christianity, Islam, or even Athisim as well.
What is this bullshit? Is this the narrative now? Hitler did what he did because of “extreme atheism”?
Absolutely ahistorical fucking horse shit
No, but they do all use their respective religion as a control tool, and all of them would have (had in khominis case) a harder time pulling off their respective atrocities without it. Organized religion is very easily abused.
The specifics of who gets fucked over in what way might also differ, in israels case it’s a geographical thing, but the other two could use any outgroup. Organized religion provides an easy way to find one. Sometimes even half the population (women).
Hitler was not an Atheist. What the fuck are you talking about?
I thought Hitler was some sort of vegan atheist with a little sprinkle of occult Arayan BS? Christian trappings were for the masses and rank and file?
Personal general impression, no source.
He wasn’t a member of a major religious group, but he was definitely not an atheist. There has been a tremendous effort to sanitize Hitler’s image, and that of the Nazi’s in general, into something less problematic for the images of a great many groups/organizations they were associated with (look up the ‘clean wehrmacht’ myth if you want to see how this works). Since showing Hitler was a staunch supporter of your opponent’s viewpoint would be an instant victory in basically any discussion, and revulsion of atheists is one of those rare things religions can generally all agree about, the two get lumped together not infrequently.
It’s… unpleasant, to say the least.
He was:
https://warfarehistorynetwork.com/hitlers-religion-was-hitler-an-atheist-christian-or-something-else
Regardless even if he was a “christian”, he was preaching an extreme idology that did not belong to any religon.
You say he was, and then post an article that concludes
it seems evident his religion was closest to pantheism
and then talks about how he constantly talked about god as this or god as that. Pantheism is not Atheism and the constant babbling of what does or wants as if it was fact he exists certainly isn’t either.
Then there’s “Mein Kampf” where Hitler himself talks about continuing “the work of the Lord”.
So glaube ich heute im Sinne des allmächtigen Schöpfers zu handeln: Indem ich mich des Juden erwehre, kämpfe ich für das Werk des Herren.
So today I believe I am acting in the spirit of the almighty Creator: By resisting the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.
This senctence is in basically every german history schoolbook.
A speech of him from 1927:
Wir müssen Gott danken für diese Gnade. (…) Gott hat Völker, aber keine Klassen geschaffen.
We must thank God for this grace. (…) God created peoples, not classes.
And a speech from 1939:
Es sei „eine Anmaßung, anzunehmen, daß der liebe Gott die Welt nur für ein oder zwei Völker geschaffen habe.“
It is “presumptuous to assume that the dear/good Lord created the world only for one or two peoples.”
“Der liebe Gott” is a german christian notion I cannot find a good translation for.
Spoken like a real Atheist, eh?
Hitler constantly talks about God, what he thinks he wants him to do or what would serve his (Gods) purpose. Hitler. Was. Not. An. Atheist.
Every attempt to make him a “not christian” comes down to “no true scotsman”, as you skillfully demonstrate:
he was preaching an extreme idology that did not belong to any religon
Every attempt to make him a “not christian” comes down to “no true scotsman”, as you skillfully demonstrate:
This is literally every argument Christians make in defense of their hateful ideology.
They really should change the name of the fallacy to “no true Christian”
Jewidism
fuckin lol
woah easy man. your spelling antisemitism is showing.
I wrote jewish then forgot to change it to judaism, which i wrote correctly in the first paragraph. cool?
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To be fair, rape, genocide, and punishing women for shit that isn’t their fault are all biblical values.
They’re really not values… It’s history. The old testament is a story of people becoming better over generations, and the ebb and flow of it
What you’re saying is heretical, just fyi… But if it allows you to feel better about yourself then go for it.
The old testament is a story…
The whole thing is a story and shouldn’t be taken seriously but here we are. People like to pick and choose which parts of the story are worth following. Old or new testament doesn’t matter, believe in one then you have to believe in the other.
1 Samuel 15
The Abrahamic god is pro-genocide, and routinely commands the Israelites to commit genocide.
What is a god? The Bible speaks about many gods, different kinds even. Are the Creator and the god of the Israelites the same?
What are they referring to here? The will of the people, the mandate of heaven, the super organism created by the abstractions of a group of humans - he didn’t follow it as king. He was supposed to be executor of the will of the people, and he didn’t deliver the “justice” they demanded
I’m not the one saying the sky daddy is whispering in people’s ears. That’s not how it ever works, does it? It’s always people going off to meditate, and coming back with sometimes inconvenient moments of enlightenment
Oh, and let’s not forget when the god of the Israelites changes their mind… It happens kind of a lot
You need to understand that most of these people have never cracked the Bible open, let alone actually try to read it as a collection of 55 separate books mostly chronling One tribe and of their stories covering poetry, life lessons, spirituality, morality, etc over roughly a 3,000 ish year time span bound in one binding.
Or to put this in perspective. Imagine somebody made a supercut of all Star wars media ever produced all of the clone wars episodes, the prequels all of the new Disney shit and they made it into one massive supercut. That’s what the Bible is.
I understand that… But imagine you have all these star wars fans who love dressing up like storm troopers and doing crackdowns. They’re even in government, screaming “for the empire!” as they bomb random people in the middle east
And obviously, a lot of people are going to think Star wars is evil
But reading the Bible without commentary is like a vaccine for the mind virus. Especially the gospels, they’re short and based as hell
The mental gymnastics required to replace mutual aid with magic is truly extraordinary. That’s why they explain the Bible to kids, sentence by sentence, to make sure they don’t accidentally understand it
That’s why they explain the Bible to kids, sentence by sentence, to make sure they don’t accidentally understand it
That really is the rotten heart of the probelm. Doesn’t matter which flavor of fundamentalist. Christian/Jewish/Islamic fundies all pour that mind poison into children.
There’s not a single line. You’ve said that I disagree with across either of your comments. But it’s not even just the Stormtroopers. It’s the people that are going on and on and on about how Star wars is the story of jar jar Binks and not the story of the skywalkers… And the Binks people are the majority of the Star wars fans at this point
I agree, and that’s kind of my objective
We need to encourage people to watch the source material so they know to mock the larpers for never having done the same
Side note, Darth Jar-Jar theories are dope
…is it really though
Yes. Every society has their own origin stories, and that’s what this is
Rome had Remus and Romulus. America has Christopher Columbus and the founding fathers
They’re a mix of actual events, myth, and the morals we aspire to as a society. Even very recently formed countries reframe their history this way
Actual history, when you study it academically, is mostly petty people making personal decisions that work out. It’s messy compromises and opportunities falling into people’s laps. Sometimes there’s ideals, but it’s mostly compromises
But that’s not what we generally teach… We always frame the story in a way to highlight the values we believe define us as a society. Even when we change the story - what we teach to children is always a reflection of the values we aspire to
Kind of, yes. A lot of it is historical accounts of varying credibility. But it’s important to always be aware that those accounts were written centuries after the events that they’re telling us about, and are heavily mythologised and extremely biased.
There’s also the attempt to influence and control the followers, and to do the bidding of the religion’s leaders. As well as practical tips like not eating old shell fish or being careful with tainted meat.
Psalm 137:9 says it’s a value. Some translationa say you will just be happy if you bash babies against rocks. But most say you will be blessed for doing it. That makes it a value.
It’s literally a curse against their enemies. Like it’s that simple
Psalms are prayers to God, it’s all just a book of poetry. They’re not laws, they’re not divine commands, they’re literally just feelings in flowery words
The slavery stuff isn’t in Psalms. What apologetics have you memorized for those?
The claim that the Psalms are just poetry is going to be heartbreaking to anyone that cites them as prophecies about Jesus. There are, what, 25 different ones that people use that way? It’s the number one source of old testament retroactive bias confirmation that JC is the Messiah. Take away their predictive qualities by making them just prayers said by people and you destroy the best resources for people to justify their core beliefs.
In your attempt to back up one claim you have destroyed 25 others and the bulk of the reason for the new testament. That was not a good move.
The claim that the Psalms are just poetry is going to be heartbreaking to anyone that cites them as prophecies about Jesus
That’s completely fine. The early Christians went to great lengths to try to say “this bit here was prophecy, and here’s how our guy fulfilled it”. But nobody was viewing those passages as prophecies before then. It was all marketing for a weird little offshoot of Judaism on the fringes of the Roman empire which happened to take off centuries later.
That’s what I said. It was hindsight bias turning things into prophecy and not “it’s all happening like the prophecies foretold.”. They were so desperate for prophecies they even made up ones that never existed, I’m looking at you Matthew 2:23.
But the commenter said that they had no value other than poetry. They are just the prayers of men. And in doing so they ignore the completely made up but very real world necessity of the Psalms to justify people’s belief. For without the believers’ ability to use them as prophecies, even if they weren’t intended as that, the majority of the case for JC as the Messiah vanishes.
I genuinely see no conflict here, and I think anyone who does has gotten caught up in a narrative. I don’t really care if their picture falls apart, if it requires magic than show me how it works…But I think the book explains it already, indirectly
What is prophecy?
The US empire will collapse, and its not going to be spectacular, it will happen with agonizing slowness.
In a moment of enlightenment, I knew it was true. I’m having a lot of trouble accepting it, even years later - I still wait for people to take to the streets and take back our democracy, or for a solar flare to give us a reset. I’d rather be there to rebuild or have AI or aliens save us… But that’s not going to happen, is it?
Deep down I understand it’s cope, intellectually I see how it fits together. I know how this plays out in general terms, but I haven’t seen the future. I’ve just seen the full picture for a moment
Is that a prophecy? Because what I felt at that understanding was despair and resignation. I could write a poem about it, does that make it a prophecy?
I genuinely see no conflict here,
Yeah we can tell.
You lost the thread and went into beep boop beep territory there.
In short prophecy is anything that people look back on and say “wow, they sure got that right” even if they didn’t get it right and it wasn’t until after the fact that anyone even saw something as having predictive pretenses.
I tend to think there’s more to it… Otherwise it’s just a prediction. And I don’t know wtf beep boop beep territory is supposed to mean
I don’t think prophecy is that stupid though. It’s genuine wisdom, it is a thing that can be done, when you empty your mind of desire and for a moment you can understand how the systems you know play out. It’s floating the stone for society if you will, letting go of yourself long enough to use your understanding objectively
And that’s my whole fucking point. The poetry is irrelevant. David or whoever could’ve looked at Jewish history, which is all about wise men rallying the people, and determining “this too shall end” and predicting it would come in the form of another wise man
They’re not laws, they’re not divine commands, they’re literally just feelings in flowery words
Actually a very accurate description of any religious text
They’re also philosophy, cultural identity, sometimes even manifestos for a better society
But Psalms is literally just poetry. Like, even in context… It’s just a poetry collection
Politics is just a bunch of old men helicoptering at each other while the rest of us watch, suffer and die.
Until a younger person gets into office, then it’s a younger person doing the exact same.
But more violently
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All people do these days is watch old men helicoptering, suffer, eat hot chip and die.
Criminally underrated comment, lmfao
Can we just have these 3 fight in a steel cage?
Only if we don’t have to let the survivor out when it’s through.
How about we give the survivor a ticket to the Hague (´･ᴗ･ ` ).
Fake news. The fat orange one is 79.
Their governments should just rotate each leader once in a while just to keep things fun … I doubt anyone would notice or that it would change world politics
Best outcome they all they by the end of the year.
How about today?
This is what bugs me the most, old people saying crazy shit is normal. The blame is kind of on the rest of us that they got into power.
